Originally by: Eigof Tahr

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Not emo, just a belief that if you don't know what you are talking about, stop talking. Would you want someone with no kids telling you how to raise yours? Nope.

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Originally by: DeadlyBob

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The poster above me and several others seem to have never flown bombers before. You cannot cloak if you are being targeted. Not you cannot cloak if you are locked, simply in process of being locked. Meaning you cannot cloak if you attack from inside someone's target range and cannot blink.

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Originally by: DNSBLACK

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As for large scale use over the weekend OMG no you didn't. All that proves is people tried it and by the time this is all over they are going to park them and never use this over priced glass cannon when they can fly less expensive ships and be more effective. 100 mil to outfit properly and it is a in between build.

3. 20% explosion velocity, 10% flight time, 15% torp velocity,
5% bomb damage, 15% torp damage.

4. All you did was buff the price of this ship and make it a large alliance play toy at 100 mil.

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Originally by: DNSBLACK

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Edited by: DNSBLACK on 20/04/2009 19:37:29

Originally by: Seishi Maru

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Originally by: DNSBLACK

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As for large scale use over the weekend OMG no you didn't. All that proves is people tried it and by the time this is all over they are going to park them and never use this over priced glass cannon when they can fly less expensive ships and be more effective. 100 mil to outfit properly and it is a in between build.

3. 20% explosion velocity, 10% flight time, 15% torp velocity,
5% bomb damage, 15% torp damage.

4. All you did was buff the price of this ship and make it a large alliance play toy at 100 mil.

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Nope. We used a large 30 SB gang this weekend andw worked quite well. Only thing that really needs to be changed is the cloaked ships uncloakign other claoked ships. That makes covert ops cloaks useless.


Also The normal cloak without recloak delay would be better on my humble opinion.

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1. Mostly harmless= You lost your space to the Russians in Drones regions. PETS of NC. They own moons and have 0.0 money making abilites. Now you are claiming to be SB experts cause you flew around in a 30 man SB over the week end had some success. A 30 man gang of any ship type would own. Heres a tip go get 30 AF and see what they can do at 1/4 the price of the bomber now. Hell go get 30 of any ship. Please explain your success http://kb.eve-42.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72623 OK i found it but iam sorry those are 30 BS not bombers http://kb.eve-42.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=64849 They best part about the secondlink is the tri bomber killed lol good thing he had cov cloak. I looked at all your kills over the weekend cant seem to find the 30 man bomber gang. Can you link us to the 30 man bomber gang kill mails. I will link my board if you like.

Heres a news Flash 30 old SB were just as good and cost 150% less and killed alot more. The sad part is you guys never new the power of these ships until this change and now they are even weaker. I guess if you never had a good steak you think horse meet tasted good.

2. Honestly i disagree with the change. I am willing to use it cause I have to. You shoved these changes on us. You made us train a entire new weapon system. You took effecting skills away from us. You gave us increase range and increase cost for a ship that does less. You allowed us to warp cloaked adding 17 mil to a ship and made us slower cloaked. To gain range we need tech 2 moduals, rigs and implants ( noobs need not apply).

3. Now that we are here give us back the 20% explosion velocity that we tested on every build and keep your range increase bull crap. I have watch every bomber fight from 50 km in after this patch and range is no longer a factor.

4. When all the large alliance are done playing with our ship I hope we can have it back. Honestly CCP your experiment has made this game not fun at all. Honestly do you think that this ship can really make a difference in your large alliance fights. Please stop pretending this change is a good one. It was not good for the over all game of eve. It makes us feel un heard and aprricated.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Originally by: place1

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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1. cloaked gangs decloaking each other during gang warps or in proximity whilst orbiting a location.

We are looking into fixing this so cloaked ships will not decloak other cloaked ships as the whole point of the covert ops cloak was to allow the element of surprise and this is not possible when in a gang with other cloaked ships or some alternative solution to better allow for this without spoiling the surprise factor.

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I am wondering if we could get a update on this progress.

Maybe should have been in a different thread but seeing the question what raised here I am asking here.

Admit have have not tested to see if its in game for a while but I didn't see anything in patch notes about it so assuming its not in game yet.

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it is a known issue for us, but the fix is rather complex so will take some time to deliver so no ETA sorry .

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Originally by: Seishi Maru

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SDtill I hope you understand that you created a ship made to operate in gangs with your changes... but that cannot operate in gangs because of this bug.... therefore the SB is almost useless as of now. So much that its usage diminished a lot.

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Have Force Recons not been able to operate in gangs even though they can be decloaked by other cloaked ships? If they can do it, Bombers can too. It's an annoying issue I'll agree and I'm glad to see that CCP is looking into it, but it's hardly made bombers 'useless'.

And I don't know where you fly, but I've been seeing far more bombers used now than before the changes.

Originally by: KA3AHOBA

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We need choise - Torp or Cruise

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No. What can you do in a bomber from 150km or more that you cannot do from 40km-90km? I'll tell you what you can't do, and that's easily switch between firing torps and bombs at the same group of targets (i.e. bomb the support and then start firing torps at the big stuff).

Or another way of putting it; sure you can have cruise missiles on bombers, but since all of the bonuses are torp-specific your cruise bomber would be even worse than the old ones. This is saying a lot mind you because the old bombers really were lousy.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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I am a FAILURE now. Simple fact

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I fixed this for you.

A fact is: Cloaked ships currently decloak each other.

An opinion is: Because cloaked ships currently decloak each other, and I can not personally figure out any other way to use them, they are a failure.

Here are a couple of other facts while we are at it.

Despite your assertion otherwise I think most everyone here is seeing a significant spike in SB usage, particularly in null sec. In many area's you can't swing a dead Catalyst without hitting a SB gang.

Despite your assertion otherwise many of these SB gangs are making frequent bombing runs.

While it is much easier to be able to warp in cloaked at the correct range from a target as a group, it is hardly necessity. There are other ways to get a gang of SB's at the correct range from target.

Yes, this bug needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
No, it does not make group bombing impossible (or even overly difficult), nor does it render the ship class useless.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Well bombers atm are as fun to fly as ceptors are. So, nuff said CCP did great job on them. Tho i still would like to see some special "anti-capital ship" ship.

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